The Popelei Naked Podcast
The Popelei Naked Podcast
JULIA CORREA
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Hello and welcome to the Popelei naked podcast. My name is Tamsin Clarke and I am naked, as I hope you are... or will be soon. Thank you so much for joining me for another episode of the naked podcast, a podcast all about women nudity and all the wonderful and squishy things in between. My special guests this episode is the fabulous Julia Correa from Sao Paolo, Brazil. Now, I was extremely lucky to work with Julia back in 2012 on my first production and we have been great mates ever since. Sadly she is back living over in Brazil these days, but when I heard that she was over in the UK for a holiday, I jumped at the chance to ask her if she would be up for getting naked with me. She said yes! Here's how it went down, So do you just wanna get naked?
JuliaI wouldnt do this for anyone else.
TamsinI'm putting that there so that nobody will come in...
JuliaMaybe some people will see us it from there.
TamsinYeah, maybe, but we can draw this (curtain) if you want.
JuliaNo, its Okay.
TamsinAlright! I always get a little bit nervous a this point. But no, let's do it, man. And I'm wearing your necklace. I'll wait to take my pants off...
JuliaOh no the panties, not the panties!
TamsinLets do it! (Laughter and hug) What a HUG! First naked hug. Yes. So how does it feel?
JuliaEeek! I dont know. I feel very, very revealed.
TamsinHow does it feel to sit? It's really funny, isn't it? Because it's like, do I show you my (pu)nani?
JuliaJust relax, pretend you have clothes on. Oh the socks!
TamsinWould you like some wine?
JuliaOh yeah. Oh my God. I can't believe Im naked looking at this amazing vista. Look at it!
TamsinI feel very privileged to have this spot, I have to say.
JuliaDo you spend a long time naked in the, in the bus, in the boat?
TamsinDo you know what? I, I swim a lot naked. But only late at night and really early in the morning when I know no one's around. Because there's lots of dog walkers that go by. But I thought, you know, even the other day I was on the island and I just came out of the shower and I had a towel wrapped around me and I was watching TV and I was like, I'm naked. But I really.... And then I got like sweaty with the towel. So I took it off and then I was like, I really want to put some pants on? And I was like, why? I'm on an island in the middle of the Thames, no one is gonna see me? But yet I felt more comfortable maybe putting some pants on.
JuliaI always feel that way when I'm by myself. I feel like the impulse of being naked and I can't handle it. I just really want to put some clothes on me.
TamsinYeah. So what's, um, so what's the deal? Do you, do you ever get naked at home?
JuliaNo. Im not a very naked person. No. Sometimes when I do it though, I feel very naughty and great. I put music on, but it doesn't last for too long. Im always paranoid someone's going to walk in and, you know, somehow. I have a friend, an Argentinian friend that loves to, when she gets off her shower, she really likes to wander naked in front of the window. Like she doesn't mind the idea of a stranger walking by and seeing a naked woman by the window. She likes that idea.
TamsinThat's quite, that's quite interesting. What, to dry herself off from the shower, or just to be naked?
JuliaYes to dry herself.
TamsinReally. That's really cool. Yeah. Having done the podcast it's been really interesting talking to different people about their naked things, but I just don't think... there's an element of shame that comes with it.
JuliaDefinitely. And there is an element of like self acceptance as well. I mean you're naked and you're free and you're enjoying yourself. Then there is a mirror and you walked by, you know, like a window that reflects your own self naked. It's so confronting because I don't spend much time looking at my body in the mirror. I avoid it.
TamsinWell I think a lot of people do, but then like, yeah, why? Why is it that we...it's such a shame? This is why I wanted to do this as well because it was like, especially with girlfriends, I don't think I've seen any of my really good girl mates, like properly naked. We don't spend time naked together and I feel like it's a shame because we're all beautiful women and it wouldn't be a problem. Do you know? I'm not going to be like, "oh my God", but yet we think that maybe that might be the case.
Yeah. I have some naked friends, let's call them, like that... Naked friends. And non naked friends. I live with very non naked friends at the moment. Yeah. They really had never seen them naked and they hate to take their clothes off in front of me and I am a bit like that normally. But because there's sooo like that, it brings the naked side of me out. So I've learned this in England actually and I loved it. So now I use it in Brazil that every now and then when someone is distracted I call their names and then they turn around and I pull my pants down and my butt is out there... looking at them and my friends, they get so disturbed by the look on my butt they go "Noooo!! Cover it up. Dont do it ever again!" And I surprise them with my butt and I quite enjoy doing that. I've actually done that to my grandmother, once in Brazil and she is definitely not a naked woman. And she was like screaming to my mom and my aunt in the living room... "Ah! Julia is showing her butt to me!" And Im like "No I'm not!" And they didn't believe her. It was like, no, she wouldn't do that. I'm like, HAHAHAA! So cruel!
Speaker 4I love it. What's it like in the family in Brazil? What's it like in Brazil with nakedness? Because I imagine there's a little bit like Venezuela where everybody is almost naked to the point of being crazy. Like it looks, it looks more sexual. They've got these tiny bikinis with little triangles over the Nipples, but the rest of the boogers out that like show the show the ass crack. And so what is it? What's the deal in Brazil? It is the same and I mean it was so big and are so many different pockets with different mentalities that I think it's not true for me. If I generalize it to everyone. Like I have more hippie friends or I worked with thiess and people love to be naked and they will find spots where there's no one and they will swim naked and like that. And I have naked friends are always like, Oh let's do something that God. And they'd take their bra off. They like that. But it is true that generally speaking, people don't take their clothes off in society. Like, I mean we have kind of hold that people address a little bit and it's very sensual and at the beach people were the tiniest bikinis in the world, but they don't ever make them take them off and you get a tablet is there. And I think there are many reasons for that. I think, well we are a Catholic country and there's still that religious aspect to it. Then, you know, inhibits people a bit. Yeah. And I also feel like there is a sensuality to the country that you know, and when it is more central to hide a little bit, you know, like the mystery of the, you know, the projection in your mind of the things you cannot see. So it was like, well the flesh is out, but the, you know, the polemic vids I covered and that is kind of instigating that word exists and I don't think so. You don't need to adjust. So provoking and provocative. Yeah. But then there is also um, very conservative sites. It perhaps that it's a moral thing, big deal. Like for you to be naked. I'm also, I think that the body in Brazil is very sexualized in general, especially the women. I was going to say because BC is a big thing over there. I was like in Venezuela, impressive as well. I think all over the world. I think we're all women feel oppressed by it that she monga say. But I do think Brazil specially and I feel very different in England and I love being here because I feel very appreciated because of my, you know, by who I am and in Brazil, like feel like he had to really correspond to a certain profile of. But, and it's very kind of suffocating. So it's exhausting. It's exhausting. I mean, you feel sad too. Obsessed and, and, and unhappy with yourself and your body. And everybody that goes to the gym on crazy diets or doing, you know, like even like surgeries and stuff, people do it. But then as well as crazy for that. I mean, I think everybody, the last time I went to Venezuela we went to a party that was celebrating a young girl getting her tits done. Do you know what I mean? And My, my cousins do it a lot. I mean, not that I know that many people, but I know many people do it in a way. Like it's very strange as well. It is very strange. But when you're there, people are so unjudgemental about it. So normally of don't take. You don't feel it the same way when you're there, when it's just so common and natural. But then when you were here, when I'm here and people talk about it feels like a fair. Yeah. It's really funny that people will accept a men don't care about women. Like, oh good for you. Looking after yourself being fitting, you know, you're. Because it's confusing. It's like you want to have your own self esteem and you, you're working for that. And use your body and you make your own decisions. True. But then how much is it your opinion? Then you turn on the television in Brazil and you watch the soap operas and is so ridiculous. All the women look amazingly beautiful. They're all gorgeous and that just doesn't correspond to reality at all. But like people really, people love beauty and they're not like, it's not a shameful thing. No, exactly. But we are but shallow that way. I mean we're not only that because we have many, many things about contradictions and complexities and wonderful things, but I feel like we've, we copied a little bit than American way. I mean we've been like, we, we absorb a lot of the North American culture, you know, like, and we see them on television, like the beat and everything and I think all that kind of silicone and all of those things came from, from America and we've completely absorbed it.
Speaker 1It may be gone a little bit over.
Speaker 4Yeah, I mean people do, but it's really like the hippie alternative. People are really against that and really trying to fight and there'd be against that. But it's, but then you live in an inch as well, I don't know,
Speaker 1but it's really interesting that you, you know, you, you make out and then you kind of compare it and say, um, you know, it's, it's about owning your own bt as well. And then it's, do you know what I mean? It's all, I think it's really about choice and it's just about where, like if I want to go to the gym every single day and being on a diet for the rest of my life, like it should be a choice because you want to be healthy or you want to but not because you have to try and conform to a way that kind of makes you feel less, uh, of a being a if you don't look like that. But then owning it is really good as well, you know, and like, and like looking after yourself
Speaker 4and the way I am, I see myself in that is sometimes I feel very strong about it and I feel very like I'm not going to give into that. And then sometimes I really do. And suddenly I feel like I need to lose some weight, I need to exercise, I need to look nice. I can, you know, and then you kind of, you. Yeah, go up and down. I have so many stories about that. I don't know. I don't know. It's funny because now that we're talking about being naked and being women, I really, I can't help thinking about how well, how it is to be a woman in Brazil, you know, tell me about it. I went, I lived here in London for eight years and I went back to Brazil two years ago and I'm really happy to be back in there. Lots of things about myself that I'm really enjoying in Brazil. And I think we're very, we're less repressed that in many ways, you know, and there is a very interesting intensity and um, people are really warm and you feel like it's not such an issue to, you know, touch tactile is fine and that's really lovely. But um, at the same time and the other hand, we are still a macho culture, you know, and, and, um, and, and he feel and I've never felt like, oh, I'm not, like, I'm not like a radical. I've never thought of myself as a radical feminist, but I guess I am, you know, like when I stopped to think about it, I feel like more and more like, okay, well at least we need to think about it and have this discussion going because you don't really realize when we're things are happening to you. Because it was only after I lived in London for so long and I'm going back to Brazil that I've realized that some time has men over there are ridiculous and so rude or so offensive and so oppressive their daily behavior and they are not even aware. It's just the way they've been brought up. So like it's up to women as well to kind of show a different way. And you can do that the way you want being really angry or really nice about it. But it's good for you to be aware of what's going on. And I think I wasn't really that aware until like, um, I, I left and now that I'm back I can see things differently and I've been bullied by men there actually have been here as well. But I've been, I've been like, when I went back there and I was like, you know, in a street posse thing that was like whatever. And I was talking to a friend and this guy came up to us and they were like, sorry, I'm going to talk to your friend because you look really like scary, not really friendly kind of person, excuse me, you know what I mean? And he walked to my friend was like, what do it look scary? And, and for a second I felt like my own friendly.
Speaker 5Yes.
Speaker 4Yeah. And then he started talking to her and he didn't even acknowledge me and Tim, he's back and cut me off from the conversation. This is crazy. And because you were confident. But I think so. And then when I went to a birthday party of a friend of mine, there was like a group of people and this guy was like, because I have a fringe and I had like a no big shirt on. And it was like, oh, look at this modern girl with a fringe. Oh, she looks really stylish, doesn't Shay? Oh, I get publicity. Ah, oh, the modern girl, like being really kind of like aggressive. I was like, well, have I done just because of my looks and look at me Tamsin fuck man, no more. Right, you're beautiful. And it could be like, fuck my legs. I could, you know, like I just felt like so like why is this guy picking on me? But that's the thing. It becomes, it just sounds like it becomes very much about what you look like in terms of for them. Oh, you know what I mean? It's not like, Oh wow, look, he looks modern in an intelligent and interesting. It's like, oh, you're probably not going to work for me because you're not, you know, kind of Barbie doll go. He only cares about what I think about them, which puts me in the power zone, so and I really started to think that like, like we were alive for a brief while and who knows what's going to happen and why we're here. It's just one ride and we should be really encouraged to dive deep inside ourselves and being very co. The closer we can get to our nature, you know, our own desires and ways to express ourselves artistically and not only that but you know, affection in anyway and for you sending it to be so, so suppressed by trying to maybe be sexy to a minor, attracted to a man or dress very like we were a bit boring the way we dress. They're like, oh, to be very normal so I don't. So people don't laugh at me and pointing. It's like no should be encouraged to be your own self into. And that is not only to do with being a woman that wants to please a man. I know it's really obvious. I might seem very obvious things to feel it. I grew up trying to please man without really knowing it really bizarre. Right. And when you realize that you're a bit like and you feel like silly, but at the same time when the amazing guys I know they're really like about something else and they do exist. They are nice guys, but you know, you have to have to look around. Yeah, I think is really in Brazil. Yeah. Well it just sounds very. Yeah, it just sounds very hardcore over there man. It is hardcore. What was it like now coming back just after two years since you've been away? I feel like I'm seeing all the bad foods of all result. I know are going to hell. I feel really happy to be back. I really love it here. Yeah, I think I know I lost my credit card last night, dancing in a nightclub, had a bit of jen and then I call the plays this morning and they said they didn't find it. It was nothing there and I was feeling, oh well, you know, and then at 5:00 PM someone called and said like, look, is the bank, someone came to the bank and gave back your card, but he canceled it already. So, but the money that had was new. Well it is already in your bank account, so they put the money in your wallet into the bank account. That's insanely lovely. Insanely lucky. Like someone woke up, had a, had a lot of her breakfast and baked beans hopefully, and then went to the bank and did that for me. I felt like I had a hangover so it was a little emotional. Started to cry. Was like,
Speaker 6I can't believe I want to say that.
Speaker 4[inaudible] that would. Yeah, that would never happen here. I feel like I feel much more appreciated here as myself. I think people like that you have like a personality and you have opinions and you're funny. People think that's exciting and that's, you know, people are curious to know you. Um, and um, I've, I've had a lot of male friends in england, much more than I ever had in Brazil. And I really, I'm like sweet, interesting. But when I, when I went back to Brazil after having this different kind of connection with men, I was much more, I was less guarded and more friendly and more up for a chat. But then every, every time I, I talked to a guy, they thought I was flushing, it was like, I'm not foolish, I'm just kidding. I'm just being frank. And then you just start to shut down again because then it becomes about something else and is a bit annoying. Yeah, it's a bit like that unfortunately. But not all the guys there are like that. But they are exceptional. Like the guys that really like openminded and what's happening in terms of like the feminist movement over there. It's growing, is it? I think, yeah, I think everywhere in the world now I'm encouraged to think about things like that. And I think I think the same thing as having Brazil, but I think it's still like a niche, a very specific group of women are that. What about guys two guys get into not even the nicest of the guys there in the. I mean, they try, they try to listen, but I have to say, like, my, my best friends there, they're male, they're all mostly gay. So that changes everything. But um, yeah, I mean I think there is like a real sort of diary to between men. Yeah. And uh, and this kind of tendency to maybe create a bad image of women that are talking about that. So it's like all you also making sure very unattractive. Yeah. Is. Yeah. Well, I remember I was seeing a guy in Chile for a little bit, like literally two weeks, but the moment I mentioned the word feminist, it was like, what he was like one of those crazy feminists, like it was a word that he didn't even understand. I had no idea what he was saying, but for him it was a bad thing. And I think so. I think there is something charged about the words that just sounds bad too, man over generally. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and I, and there are a lot of really nice men as well there. There are lovely, really great husbands and very committed to their, you know, amazing people. But they just have been brought up in a more conventional way and there it is more match away, but they're not idiots. It's just the way you're taught to think about stuff. So I wonder how, how, how the different tones that discussion can take and should take, you know, because you don't want to push people away or be aggressive for men. They're really horrible to women. And I said, my god, my friend just posted something on instagram the other day. She recorded herself sitting in a bus like in a van gogh in Brazil with a group of men and they were being so rude and talking about like making jokes about women, about their ex ex girlfriends. Like, well she's in my suitcase now. Meaning like she's dad and the amount of jokes they make about like kidding women, like as a joke, it's not funny especially because there are so many issues in death involved were about like men, you know. So it is, it is weird. And when you started the attention to that and open yourself to that discussion, you really. It's, it's pretty bad. It's everywhere. You see it everywhere. But it's like, it is interesting to me to observe myself, how do I, what are islam? Because some times I feel like, wow, I'm here in england, everybody's really nice and I can talk like as an equal to a loss of man. And it's really great to be able to be friends with a guy, you know, like someone as a firm has a different gender than you. How wonderful to have that connection in, to see the world through a different perspective as well. And that's a great, amazing gifts that you don't think you have that in Brazil. I think I do. But um, but with the three specific kinds of people, not so much. I feel more guarded. Maybe it's me as well. Fitting like, hey, I need to protect myself. Yeah.
Speaker 1And that's, that's. So, that's so interesting, isn't it, that you, you, you, you feel so much here that. I mean it's nice for us to hear it over here I think because it's like, you know, it was like, okay cool. We were in a good position where, you know, like, not to say that they are not idiots in england for yourself. How do you think are the english men? Yeah, no, I know, but I do feel like the conversation with young men younger than me, even though I think my generation is still got that hang up a little bit. Like from the olden days of like feminism or touchy subject. Not really sure. Where was the younger generation when you speak to them? They're way more into it. Oh yeah. The guy that really intelligent and they really educated on it. Obviously I'm not talking about all of them, but I think I notice it more amongst the younger community and that's fucking cool man. Yeah. Because I still catch myself being sexist amongst, in my own world all the time. I catch myself doing it and like wondering, you know, I rent out a house and you know, and, and modernism's you know, like wondering like if a couple of married here, we're going to come and rent the house and like, you know, do I want to marry a couple of years in late? Really deciding on those kinds of things and you're like, wow, this is scary times you don't even want to get married. So like, you know, you would, you would expect not to be like that because of so many years of, you know, being told
Speaker 4a certain way of thinking. He sort of go like, oh, well, you know what I mean, you got to catch yourself a bit. Definitely all the time. But I feel like I do feel like here I checked myself a lot and I feel comfortable doing that when I was traveling in south America and I'm seeing going to be moving over there. Like I found it really difficult to play strong times in the feminists. Like it was really difficult. I had to shut my mouth a lot of the time and when guys were doing their whole spiel, I would feel more comfortable over here being like, hey guys, my nuts. Not cool. Like, sorry, I don't really think that's funny over that. It would be really difficult if you're scared because they're violent, violent, like violence and are there ways in your scary, scary? So many times I had to shut my mouth and look down and just walk away feeling like I wanted to kill them all and try, you know, do it because you feel like it's really unsafe to do that, you know? And also like you don't feel like you on on a lot of other levels, you feel
Speaker 3you just feel less fun as well. Do you know whaT I mean? It's like somebody is not getting like your, the nina and you're like, what was it? I am like the crazy girl. Not very attractive. Yeah. Crazy. God. I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm so unattractive in my own country, adam, to be different, you know? I just only be myself.
Speaker 4That was the thing. They all thought I was really year repaired
Speaker 3when I was over there. They like, oh, you know, you always kind of your different everywhere. Yeah. And over there it was like, oh, she said european with her crazy ideas and thoughts and you're like, yeah. And I met his.
Speaker 4Yeah. I'm from some following. some Is a big city in Brazil that's still like, I feel like you can still find people that are more open minded, but then if you go to different areas of the country, like up north, there's this macho culture and women are taught from an early age to be very bitchy about each other and to be very mean about each other. So like there is this encouraged competition between women and I think that comes from a macho culture as well. Oh my gosh. I really like. I know I'm not really seeing your music taste england. Very amazing connections with women as well as much as I was talking about men, but women feel like, my gosh, I have so many amazing friends. I have amazing friends in Brazil that women, they're amazing, but I mean like persico is like lovely girls. Younger girls is like people that you don't feel so threatened by that. Of course I couldn't say that everything is perfect and everybody's like that. I really felt like in europe and in the uk, people like girls were so welcoming and lovely to me and I have so appreciate that so much and I feel like our friendship was like a bit like that, you know, you saw me play and he invited me to work and I liked it straight away and you're very like so very open, you know, and that was an amazing relationship as well.
Speaker 2Oh,
Speaker 4just remember thIs chat I had with my dad got really ill and had to do like many names, surgeries and um, and then just moved from london and I'm this young doctor that had been the assistant to this other doctor that did the surgery, came to talk to me. Sorry, I just like that conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. I made me think of this and that was a really bizarre dialogue because. Well, so there you go. I go back to Brazil after eight years in england and my dad is really ill and I'm at the hospital. They did the surgery and this young doctor is interested to talk to me, to know a little bit about, you know, this girl that lived abroad and um, he wanted to know about like how it, how it was in london and stuff. I don't really remember how we got into this conversation, but he started to say like, oh, I went to barcelona was okay. And he said yes and well women people when they get naked at the beach. oh yeah, yes, yes. Lots countries where people think that they take a close up with the beat and then he, and then I, and then he's like, yeah, the women and men. And, and then I wrote, I said something about my friend that he told me his, um, his, he said it with me and lisbon theater company and he said that when he was a young boy he would go at the beach and all his classmates and their mothers would be make it at the beach. And he, he had to learn how to resist the natural, you know, desire to look at the boobs. And that means that all the time, you know, like when people are naked, you definitely feel like you want to look, you know, and then you have to kind of fight against it. We hAve to fight against. I'm not sure what the right balance. I mean if, if a guy to look at all but then at the same time it isn't natural thing for you to feel like. But maybe that's because we just don't see enough naked bodies probably is that. I know. so that he said that while it took him like years of practice to now be able to go to the beach and then look at all the women in their eyes and only their eyes. It's good practice and good practice at least that way. I mean doing the naked bike ride, it was quite incredible how many people came just to like men just to have no way. Yeah. And take photos and like scared really taking photos, you know, like putting their phone up and like pretending that they were not filming but actually filming. Yeah. And that just made me more angry. Do you know what I mean? Is this like, look at me if you want to look at me and asked to take my photo, but like engage with me on a level, don't just do it on the sly because people are on very different pages in the world and it's really like that's the thing as well when you do something like that, you expect people to be discussing in a different way of opening up to. And some people would have such a dIfferent background and way of looking at it. You never really know how people are understanding that and where they're coming from. That's why it's also so dodgy. Yeah. Take your clothes off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're very, very vulnerable. So continuing that, going back to the doctor. Um, then I told the story about the black friend. I had to train not to look at the boobs and he didn't laugh. He didn't say anything. He just got annoyed and he said, I don't care. I look at the boobs. I looked up to the doctor. I don't care. I look at them, I don't care. I look at everything and, and then I see him like walking away to the door and uh, I just feel this weird feeling in my stomach and I'm like, well, the poor spanish girls, that's when they get out of my chest. And he turns around wIth his head and he says, why poor spanish girls like, well, I feel sorry for them. And then he says, why do you feel sorry for them? They love it that I look at them. They left. Did she think they want me to look when it goes off? That's why they do it for. So they get the, the attention. I didn't know what to say. I was just like, this is the guy that just, my dad is really sick. Should I let my father died? I know it was such a confronting moment. Wow. That's really. Yeah. That's really interesting. Yeah. And surely that's a lot of guys perception of women's naked bodies and women being naked is that like they're doing it for them. And I talked with a goal about that. I told that story to the girl and she's a real like hardcore woman. She was like, yeah, but there are lots of girls that do it to show off, do it for the attention that it was a bit surprised by her reaction, but I guess I don't know, but I don't know. I never felt it that way. I never felt like, oh, someone will go naked to the beach so everyone will look at.
Speaker 1See, I think it's obviously if there are some people doing it in order just to show them that's, you know, if that's their choice. But like I know for me, I like being naked on the beach because I just don't want to get any marks and I want to be naked. I want to swim naked. There's nothing better than swimming naked.
Speaker 4The nation's aggressive about need to be naked as well, which I appreciate. I wanted to, to the naked pause because I felt like yes, that will be my transgression of the naked with my friend talking about it, you know, and they went. And while there is a very famous theater director in Brazil called zest cells exist. So the cells. And he says that nudity is still the, the greatest taboo, taboo of humanity, and I'm doing. We had a, we went through a dictatorship in Brazil and a while ago and people were tortured and you know, nasa thing, it's happened to people that were engaged with that kind of revolutionary and women were like really tortured and abused and you know, um, and he says that he's hit the theater, he makes this needed, is political as well as it should. And he wants to celebrate the body and the freedom of being naked and the freedom to just show you a flash as something that's not aggressive to anyone. You're not trying to seduce anyone necessarily, you're not trying to impose, were being put. Some times people read it as an aggressive thing. Oh my goodness. Am I saying that also the other side of it, there was, I think that was many years ago in Brazil as well, that, that, that was all over the news, that a group of european, that of the danish where it's canadian, I don't know exactly which country. They went to an a remote beach and north of Brazil. And they were all like naked and you know, the, the community around that was a bit like poor and like very religious, incredibly offended by that and they asked him to leave and say, and then they were saying to the people in television and saying like, look, go back to your country and your naughty stuff over there. intelligent, but in a away I think that you also have to be very respectful in how you impose your culture and others like you're going to someone else's country. You have to be aware of how people live and not to be disrespectful towards me on there as well, you know.
Speaker 1But it's interesting if you think about nudity in the uk, like just on sunday, like three days ago, I went down to canberra sands on the south coast and to go kite surfing, but there was no wind. So know I went swimming instead and when topless. And these are young kite surfing like cool it, you know, you'd say in a, you know, in whatever. I'm like cool people. And yeah, they were like, the boys were just like, hey, just kidding. Do with the fact that there was a topless on the beach and at that point it does become a little bit about me making a statement because I knew, I realized that nobody is doing it and so I'm doing it in defiance of the fact that nobody else is doing it and a little bit in order to sort of be like a little bit. Yeah. And soRt of make my mark and sort of, you know, I should be allowed to do this here. So there was lots of different elements to, you know, to be
Speaker 3so wanting to be a group of people that came all the way from scandinavia would make these, it that he didn't mean to provoke events that make it all the time for them. It's like, oh shit. And then you also have to understand that it's not all the world is like, you know, people have different perceptions of it as well. I don't know if it's true that sometimes you need to provoke but also like be careful times, you know, because sometimes you're so exposed and vulnerable and.
Speaker 1Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's a bit scary to be in the world of living, isn't it? And it's really interesting because it would never cross my mind to go topless in Venezuela whereas you know, I can go to Spain tomorrow and you know, all of my spanish friends know me though and they all get naked and we all get naked in the mother gets naked in the gut, you know, it's like that's not an issue in Venezuela. It's like I know that when I get to the beach I can't get topless so at it, and it's annoying, but I would never do it there because I just know, you know. Yeah, of course. And it was, it was surprising to go to columbia. I go to Taiwan or beach and, and they actually say that they had a need is that area because it was obviously catering for foreigners, which was like go to the fucking ass end of the beach and you can, you can get naked that when no one can see you, but at least they catered for it. Do you know what I mean? That was quiet because I, you know, I mean it's been a long time since I've been in Venezuela, but um, it would be really weird and obviously my family, my, my immediate family, my mom, my dad, my sister, I'm naked in front of them all the time. Like I never have an issue with that, but my extended family in Venezuela, that would be really weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That wouldn't be a committee. Yeah. I mean if granny is when I was alive, she'd be like, she wouldn't, she wouldn't get it. Yeah. So it really depends as well, you know, there are people that really, there are also people, they an ache, they're really annoying.
Speaker 3I'm so afraid. I'm so free and modern and um, so, you know, liberal bob, everyone else and that's really annoying as well. It's really hard not to be annoying in some ways. It's fucking true. Is a bit annoying trying to get it right sometimes. Like naked men really piss me off naked man. Yeah. Just like, just put it away. Even though I'm such a like I want to promote some of nakedness. It's like, let me choose when I want to see it, and then I find myself being like the hypocrite that just trying to battle again. I think that the, it's great to. I mean, you know, I'm starting now in my thirties to feel some pleasure to catch myself being an idiot. You have experienced that sensation have been such an idiot. It's such a repressive or so arrogant until two killers right now and you feel like this horrible moment of pain, shame, shame, shame, and then I started to feel it like a little pleasure. I was like, okay, a pain and little slight moment of evolvement development. Personal development. Yeah. It's weird, isn't it? Yeah. When I find it hard to get it all right and nothing. People won't ever get it right and you think it's important to be malleable and open to discuss things and listen to different opinions and to maybe, you know, always be able to change your mind a bit because it feels so certain everything. It's also. I think that's the big thing is that when I catch myself being so stubborn, which is a lot of the time. Yeah, when I'm in an area, so I think because we talk about astrological signs all the time, like we take this as important as your id just loved it so much was signs and I happened to know a lot of all areas, every what people say in Brazil to go and tell me this is not an astrological sign is a disease stubborn are so well. All I know is that I'm very stubborn. The thIng is my best mate. I've got terms in the areas to me, but it's so funny because my mate is aries as well and she couldn't be more opposite to me. You know what I mean? Like the moon and has an influence. I think I'm areas with something rising. Do you know what I mean by one of the areas, but now I'm really stubborn and so I do find myself when I see, when I have to catch myself out with those things, it's really good. But it's really painful as well because you're like, I was wrong at one point and I have to learn to be not wrong. And I was so sure. And that's, you know, and like, and you're like, oh I've,
Speaker 4I've been a certain way for so long, I wish I could have known what I've known now earlier so that I wasn't such a wrong person. But we all think that everyone thinks that. And the truth is how wonderful for you to be able to see. Like I was wrong, I made a mistake, I wasn't right. I'm not perfect. I don't know anything, everything and there, you know, and everything has two sides, you know, like even this matter culture of Brazil that I criticize a lot. Very sexist, very sensuous, very exciting in many ways. You know, there's something about that their kids like people very. there is a like people are sensual and sexual and that's really good as well, you know, that's part of life is alive and missing so much here. And then you know, like I had like this very nice kind of equal thing going on here and I feel like there's a lot of sexual frustration and that's also a problem. Yeah. So I mean, what is the perfect balance? How do you find that? And I think that it's hard to know, but we need to so. RighT. It's so true, man. So I'd love to go to Brazil as my next one on the list. I mean, I say all that, but he already loved Brazil. And everyone will love you though. Yeah, no, it would be amazing what I've heard good things about it. It's like we have a lot of issues, violence, poverty, all the crap you can imagine that's really difficult and heartbreaking. And so corruption, things are reading like I have no idea how we ever going to change. But there is something so about the humanity. People are so sweet and kind and generous. Um, and there are, there is so much joy and fullness in the air. People would like to have a good time to, to feel good. I don't know, there's something really amazing about being there as well that I love and I'm so proud of, you know? And so yeah. So you can, you only really frustrated and upset about things that you know, that you care about. Right? And I feel like very frustrated when they talk about Brazil, about this things with men because I see the potential and the wonderful things about it and I love it so much. Yeah, exactly what it is. Yeah. So what are you up for? A skinny dip. Do you have a towel? Yes, I have a towel. I am. I am afraid. I'm already naked. oh my god. I'm doing things in bursa that I never thought I could do. Fucking god. I'm trYing to describe what I'm looking at right now. So through this little window in the boat, I can see this very calm, lovely water that reflects the sky and still blue, but is now getting man. You can see the moon almost. It's not full. Nobody's quite big. Three or four days' time majors and he's so bright. It looked like a diamond and it's reflecting in the water and on the opposite side is a field full of white and black cows and they're quite close to us, but really yet, so the other side of the river. And you can see the hills and the grasses yellowy Because it's been so hot. There are other trees and it's just. It's just the most beautiful place to buy. I got jumped. Make it. Yeah. You have to dumb naked mind. That's the. That's the thing. Celebrate by skinny dipping in the river haven. Skinny, skinny, skinny, skinny, skinny, skinny, skinny dipping. Because you have to be very thin tubes in.
Speaker 3That's another, another male patriarchal concept will hate listening to a podcast. Right? Okay. People in the podcast, this, the numbers didn't. I can't handle it. It's gonna. It's going to be cold. I just jumped in and then take it out from here. I'll jump in. Let's to get it. Oh my god. So many things I had to kind of say. Let's start on here. Why? Why? Why do you make me do this thing? Oh my god. Okay. I already regretting it. I want to cry. I'm gonna cry. Just thinking about it and then I'm going to come back. And then where's the tea? Let's say, okay. Hey, look at us thompson. He said, come on. We can do it. Okay. Okay. You ready? You ready? Okay. One, two, three.
Speaker 7Naked. Oh my god. Seriously. That's. That's amazing in your life. Wow. That's prettY interesting. Unfortunate for him.